Talking BBS & HOP with Sam Goodman

Recently, I sat down with Sam Goodman to discuss the tribalism, misunderstandings, and overlaps of Human & Organizational Performance (HOP) and Behavioral Based Safety (BBS).

I strongly believe that HOP and BBS are essentially talking about the same thing - systems & behavior are one and the same.

Listen to the discussion here and let me know what you think by dropping a comment below.